May 21st CHAT
[DrLawlis] Since you are the first, we can start off with any questions or
comments you may want to make, Kim
[ksc] I have been using my BAUD
alot and loving it. I would like to start using it with others. My question is
about people who have difficulty accessing feelings--do you work with body
sensations or do you rely on your intuition as a therapist to help them access
[DrLawlis] Both actually. You guessed that this is
the hardest of the process points. For example, when I work with panic
[DrLawlis] They are usually so afarid to get into their feelings
because they fear losing control. I usually work with their breathing for a
while until they can get in touch with their bodies and specific areas.
[ksc] So you use the BAUD to calm anxiety in that way so they can
then feel more in control about accessing the panic
[DrLawlis] The main issue I have worked with is how to get them
to get in touch with the sympathetic feelings and the tone, then it is easier to
disrupt them into parasympathetic .
[ksc] Can you say more about that? I am not sue I
understand how you would do that
[DrLawlis] The main idea is to get some separation between the sensation of pain
and the emotions surrounding it. So I usually focus on the "suffering feelings
(victimization, etc.)" and turn into this issue
[ksc] ok, so you help them work on how bad they
feel about having anxiety first and then deal with the anxiety
[DrLawlis] People usually get frustrated if they exp[ect to become so relaxed as
to not ffeel anything. Instead it is usually more productive to deal with the
emotions that are sabotaging them...
[DrLawlis] Kim's concept is a workable one. This
is like a cognitive model in which you work with the feelings aside from the
event or direct experience.
[DrLawlis] Once they get the idea of removing the baggage of
emotions, they can deal with the issues a lot better.
[DrLawlis] The main issue in chronic pain is the
suffering and issues of self identity. Pain becomes simply a sensation that can
be dealt with.
[DrLawlis] Of course, I use a lot of imagery and focus on the
symbology of the pain.
[ksc] ok that is helpful; once someone is begins to feel as if they have some
control over panic/anxiety then do you do a challenge, say going to a high rise
and using the BAUD right there to help with claustrophobia?
[DrLawlis] Yes, I like to challenge their control
because once the connections to the emotions have been erased, they discover
they don't have to deal with uncertainty
[DrLawlis] For example, using the BAUD process for fear of
[DrLawlis] I had this woman describe her panic
attacks as she thought about flying. We focused not on flying but on her fear
responses. Centered on her feelings of fear, she quickly discovered the
[DrLawlis] of her fear emotions. Actually the pitch often builds
up the anxiety once they find the tone on the BAUD, and that is when you know
you got it...
[ksc] once she had it then she could erase it?
[DrLawlis] Then she erased the fear itself. She went flying the
next two days and with follow up in a year and half she still enjoys the flying.
However, there will always be scary things that happen.
[ksc] Does this help with the "fear
thoughts" as well---that little voice that listens to every noise and says we
are going to crash....!?
[DrLawlis] Yes, the voice is the one of the
emotion. Once the emotion is separated, the voice goes away. On another note, I
have had some people ...
[DrLawlis] have multiple sites for anxiety and
fear. One woman finally located the fear in her throat and in her stomach. We
chose the throat, but we discovered the more basic one was in her stomach. She
was dealing with the crisis of having a husband who yelled at her...
[DrLawlis] Even though she had been married to him
for 41 years, she still had that reactions. Now she doesn't react that way
although her husband is still yelling.
[ksc] Cool--I am still finding it
challenging at times to ID a primary feeling--I will apply the BAUD to some
situation that I feel angry about---then the anger will dissipate and then I
will notice grief--that lessens and then I may notice a new layer of anger---is
that common or am I just not clearing it all the first time?
[DrLawlis] This happens when you are using it for
yourself and finding that the BAUD "unwraps" the emotions to find deeper ones
underneath. I think that you will find yourself gaining in energy as each of
these release your soul from torment. You will be able to process without
dealing with the baggage that clogs up the thinking process. Who knows? You
might become our "enlighten one."
[ksc] That was my sense of how it works--very cool--it does feel like my soul is
being released from torment---then I notice later having much more clarity of
[DrLawlis] That was my manner of speaking. Please note that I can go into
another world at times (ADD).
[ksc] I have also been playing with anchoring in
the calm that comes with having erased an emotion using a heart centered form of
meditation that I practice with good success
[DrLawlis] That helps anchor the stability of the mood.
[ksc] With the woman you spoke of before--how many
sessions for her to stop reacting in fear--did she use the BAUD at home as well?
[ksc] the woman whose husband yelled
[DrLawlis] Exactly She was using it at the same
time her husband came in. It was fun.
[ksc] so she used it to nip the reaction in the
bud in present time--that must be very powerful
[DrLawlis] Yes, and she was in her late sixties and had 40 years
years of reaction built up. I was amazed.
[ksc] I am curious for someone with such a long standing pattern
in relationship I would think it might take much time--did it?
[DrLawlis] She did it in about 45 minutes, at least to shield her
from the reactions.
[ksc] Wow--do people also then notice physical
changes as well--say that in addition to the anxiety she would also get a
stomachache--does that lessen as well?
[DrLawlis] But she still does not have a basic alternative of
behavior to deal with her husband. Shge could use some counseling for that
[ksc] ok--so the BAUD helps with the extreme
emotional reaction so that communication strategies, etc could be more
effectively learned and applied?
[DrLawlis] As far as I have seen, the phsyical symptoms go away with the
detached emotions. Blood pressure go down, muscle tension evaporates, etc.
[ksc] so the physical sx's can decrease w/o a
specific focus on them thru biofeedback--very cool!
[DrLawlis] I have seen cancer tumors disappear.
[ksc] Wow--I cannot wait to come to a live training with you!!
That is very exciting
[ksc] My daughter who is very bright has
difficulty in school due to anxiety and stress--she is getting tutoring and her
tutor is willing to learn to use the BAUD with my daughter so she does not need
[ksc] to have "therapy" with her mom--I keep seeing more and more
applications each day
[DrLawlis] If she can use either
her imagery or EEG so she can learn to up her concentration with the BAUD. She
can really do her homework fast (1/2 the time is usual.
[ksc] Thanks so much for teaching about this tool
[ksc] do you mean visualize (imagery) doing it faster?
[DrLawlis] No, using imagery to locate the part of
the brain (frontal lobe) that processes information, sort of a tone in your
front head. Then use the BAUD to intensify that feeling (not dissolve it) and
"wake up the brain.
[ksc] wow--when I just imaged my
frontal lobe I could feel a right/left difference (will have to refresh my
neuroanatomy) would I apply the BAUD for that as well?
[DrLawlis] yes, absolutely
[RichB] Checking in and saying hi!
[RichB] Are you in the middle of a topic or can I ask a question?
[DrLawlis] ask away
[RichB] I am relaying a question I received:I'm afraid the BAUD is not right for
me. I purchased it to help deal with
[RichB] OOps, looks like it was too long.
[RichB] The question was on how to use the BAUD for stubborn refractory
[DrLawlis] deal with
[DrLawlis] By "stubborn" I assume
you are talking about depression that is chronic. Could you tell me more about
the triggers and when you know it most?
[RichB] I wish I could. I might have to get more info from the
[RichB] All I know is that it is medication resistent.
[DrLawlis] Just for
a model to think about. Depression comes in about 6 - 8 types. Each one takes a
little different strategy for the BAUD. Then it is likely complicated with some
toxicity or hormones. I would recommend two weeks of lemon water and "dancing..
[DrLawlis] By dancing, I mean taking some music and moving
rhythmically to it for twenty minutes. This is not slow music..
[DrLawlis] It is more like drumming
music (brent Lewis has great CDs like Earth tribe rhythums and I have some music
from Mindbodyseries.com. These exercises will help stabilize the brain by
balancing up hormones and detoxing.
[ksc] how much lemon water--how concentrated?
[DrLawlis] It depends on the individual. I use a
half a lemon per glass, but lower concentrations will work. It is really good to
pour into Perrier water as a mixer. Of course you can always get iced tea and
add lemons like I do.
[DrLawlis] Then, the BAUD can be more sensitive for the person.
[ksc] is it hard to convince a severely depressed person to dance
for 20 min!?
[RichB] Thanks, Dr. Lawlis. I will pass on the sugegstions and
try to get more specific info on her triggers and symptoms.
[DrLawlis] Yea, but they will begin to like it once they get into it. The music
and enthusiasm are keys.
[DrLawlis] I get my 90 year olds to dance every time and they
[ksc] sure---Thanks so much--talk to you next time!
[DrLawlis] Until next time - Happy Trails